Comment from: citizen mom [Member] · http://quinnchannel.typepad.com/tfh
On point in about every way possible, Rodney.
03/05/07 @ 07:32
Comment from: shawnkilroy [Member] Email
at 11:30 tonight Rodney, I will be simultaneously funny and musical at the Balcony at the Trocadero. Tell the doorguy you're a member of RockTownHall.com and you'll get in free! Tell me(the guy spitting blood), and I'll buy you a drink*




*domestic beer or well booze only.
03/05/07 @ 08:37
Comment from: general slocum [Member] Email
Rodney, I would only point out that you inadvertantly give points to the non-musician-community's intelligence, possibly as a result of having spent so much time hanging out in the Musicians' Tent. Just yesterday, I was telling Kurt Wunder that I really enjoy Car Talk. He said he did, too, but was sometimes made uncomfortable at the forced laughter, pointing out the notion that still laughing while saying, "Don't drive like my brother!" after all these years must be artificial. I suggested that there isn't anyone who hasn't had a jovial old fart say to him at work, "Hey! Got your EARS lowered!! Heh!" Every single time you get your hair cut, they say it as though they've never said it before. And the guys who say that believe genuinely in its entertainment value.
Also, houseplants' reticence should not be blamed on a lack of intelligence, though lack of humorous sensibility is likely, as is the case with cats, or Prince, or West Philly food co-ops, or what have you. Please don't write, anyone, to say I malign hippies of this stripe. I know they *can* laugh. Perhaps after crying "Huzzah!" - in that serious, deep way, which is expressive of ethical and superior mirth, as at, say, Gaya's Bounty. (Don't you start, either, Art. It's all true.)
As with a lot of other properties in music and life, humor in music such as Zappa's only falls flat to me when it has that tone of superiority and hectoring and also fails to have a graspable sense that he is finding this funny. I do get the sense that, for example, the Car Talk guys genuinely find humor in thinking these things up, and also really hope the person hearing them will share in the humor. As opposed to the anti-humorists as exemplified by Howard Stern, who hopes only that you will feel inferior enough to keep listening, and doesn't concern himself with rewarding you for it. Weird Al seems to have some spark of finding these things funny, and they might be, if you murmmur the catch phrase over you beer along with the song on the juke box once. But then he has to go and overwork the idea so that every last citizen in the land can fully grasp how brilliant he is.
Along this continuum, I would still say Zappa was capable of doing genuinely funny things inside of genuinely good music, though that is the smaller part of his material by far. He did occaisionally reach that level, but the bitter resentful tone of "Plastic People" and the aforementioned "doo wop" mockery is much more the rule. Where Zappa also broke new ground, was in the between-song banter at which he was quite good. He raised the bar for that well above the meager reach of today's typical bar band, even at their best Hang In There Baby, Friday's Coming stretch.
03/05/07 @ 08:47
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
As with a lot of other properties in music and life, humor in music such as Zappa's only falls flat to me when it has that tone of superiority and hectoring and also fails to have a graspable sense that he is finding this funny.

This is an interesting point - the value of the humorist being amused by his or her humor. Perhaps, then, I can blame the absolute lack of humor that I find in, say, the "humor" of Adam Sandler or Louden Wainwright III on the artist's lack of empathy for his own material.

Are any of you into Louden Wainwright III? A-Dogg and I had a teacher/advisor/friend who swore by him. Wainwright always makes me sick in the stomach. His "humor" seems more bound by self-hatred than even an admirer and practitioner of self-hatred like myself can handle. I don't get the sense he gets any joy out of his self-hatred.
03/05/07 @ 12:26
The Wishniaks once played on a bill with a band called the Asparaguys. One of their members gave me their tape, which he was obviously very proud of, and it featured a photo of a band member sitting on the toilet with his pants down, holding a beer, smiling at the camera. I was told "See? He's sitting on the toilet! It's funny, you know? Just like the Dead Milkmen". I believe it was at that point that the universe imploded into a massive irony hole.
03/05/07 @ 12:59
Comment from: Rick Massimo [Member] Email
Oh fucking hell The Asparaguys. A band I was in was on a bill with those assholes. The Dead Milkmen might've been the headliners, I dunno; I know we opened for them at least once.
03/05/07 @ 14:15

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