Comment from: meanstom [Member]
Onstage experimentation is fine provided those doing the experimenting are qualified. For some bands the message should be Only try this at home.
2007-07-02 @ 12:38
Comment from: sally_cinnamon [Member] Email
Great point, meanstom!
2007-07-02 @ 14:59
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
So what did those of you at this show or others on their recent tour think? I've only got that EP album by them, which I like and which steers away from those sea shanty numbers. Whenever I've seen clips of them live I'm surprised at how visceral and raw they are. I get the sense I'd like it, at least for the songs I know and like. Do any fans of the band miss hearing the studio finesse of their records?

As for onstage experimentation, I'm a longtime believer in my bandmate Andyr's now-apocryphal dictum: "I don't mind jamming as long as it's planned out."
2007-07-02 @ 15:55
Comment from: sally_cinnamon [Member] Email
Mr. Mod sez: Do any fans of the band miss hearing the studio finesse of their records? I know Matthew will back me up on this when I emphatically say "yes!" I wasn't expecting the live set that they played at all, and it was the first time that I've seen them play, so I was pretty excited to see them live and hear some of the songs that I'd been digging. But their live show was really different from their studio sound. Great description, very apt when you said "visceral and raw". I wouldn't necessarily say in a bad way - because it was interesting and good, but they should definitely mix in more of their studio sound with some of their more... inventive numbers. Whether that's selling out or not, (playing to partially please an audience) I have no clue. Thoughts? Btw: I'm all for experimentation - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't - but how far do you push that envelope before you actually start driving away your audience?
2007-07-03 @ 00:19
Mr. Mod sez: Do any fans of the band miss hearing the studio finesse of their records? I know Matthew will back me up on this when I emphatically say "yes!" I wasn't expecting the live set that they played at all, and it was the first time that I've seen them play, so I was pretty excited to see them live and hear some of the songs that I'd been digging. But their live show was really different from their studio sound. Great description, very apt when you said "visceral and raw". I wouldn't necessarily say in a bad way - because it was interesting and good, but they should definitely mix in more of their studio sound with some of their more... inventive numbers. Whether that's selling out or not, (playing to partially please an audience) I have no clue. Thoughts? Btw: I'm all for experimentation - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't - but how far do you push that envelope before you actually start driving away your audience?


I've been a fan of theirs for about 4 years now and have seen them play 7 times. Although I love most of their records, they've always disappointed me as a live band due to their sheer insistence on playing their songs completely differently than the studio arrangements regardless of whether or not it works or not. On one hand I admire their sense of risk and experimentation and it's initially thrilling not knowing what to expect, but after a while it gets tiresome and I do in fact miss the finesse (relatively speaking) of the studio records.

The other night, they played for almost 2 hours (!), but it felt more like 4 partially because it was really late on a weeknight but also because they tried to play their songs as fast as possible instead of allowing the melodies to breathe a little in the arrangements. I don't know if they deliberately try to screw up their songs, but sometimes it really sounds like it and it's frustrating as a fan.
2007-07-03 @ 10:51
Comment from: geo [Member] Email
I love the EP record, listenened to it constantly. I found Blueberry Boat entirely offputting. I have wondered what makes my reaction to these so different because, on the most obvious level of arrangements and musical approach, they seem very similar, but the magnetism of the EP, the way it draws the listener along from song to song, working up to emotional heights like "Sing to Me", a fantastical genre exercise that they somehow invest with a feeling of authenticity, is nearly the opposite of the willfully disconcerting BB transitions.

I've only seen them twice, this show and the TLA show a few months back. The two concerts were as different as those two records for me, but I lked each show in its own way. First off, I went to the TLA having no idea what to expect. I didn't know if they would use sequencers to approximate their synth-pop sound or have an army musicians to play the many interlocking parts. I was stunned to see basically a power trio, with Matt somehow reducing hit multiphonic synthetic symphonies to a raging single electric guitar with dums and bass. It was a new way to hear the songs and, for me, a very successful approach. I'll agree with Matt that none of the songs really matched the original studio constructions, but that seemed entirely beside the point. The guitar versions worked, and in a completely different way that revealed oodles about what was the essential kernel in their best tunes.

This show was a more accurate representation of the sound of the recordings, but less inviting than the trio version. They had a drummer, a percussionist, a guitarist that sometime filled in on bass lines with an octave divider, and Matt played keyboard. The inclusion of the keyboard in and of itself made this show "sound" like the records. But while the previous show hewed closely to the songs as originally written, this show involved many wholesale rewrites of the material with revisions to...well pretty much everything. But it's not as if they were jamming; the band had a turn on a dime precision that WAS exhausting to watch. The constant action particularly from the hyperactive percussion guy, the long set and the late hour conspired to make things more impressive than enjoyable. I went to the show with someone that described it as "Excruciating." On the other hand, I really appreciated their ability, their devotion to the live performance to come up with endless, complex reworkings of the material and execute them so well.
2007-07-04 @ 01:36

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