Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I think you may be attributing to Nick Lowe the quality of togetherness the band felt in those early days, a feeling which translated into their playing.
01/02/08 @ 10:54
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I think how Lowe focused his lens on the band is as key to the feeling coming through. You don't get that feeling on Almost Blue, and after time away from the band, Lowe came back and did a pretty good, pretty similar job with Blood and Chocolate. Granted, the feeling had to be there to come through, but no other producer but Emerick would capture it. I would LOVE to hear Lowe produce Costello and his Bruce Thomas-less band now. I'd be willing to bet that he'd still get the best performance possible out of them.
01/02/08 @ 10:58
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I added a "P.S." to my initial post that I forgot to add from the beginnning. Hopefully it makes sense.
01/02/08 @ 12:00
Quick: Name your favorite lick in a song from King of America.


James Burton's brief solo in "Glitter Gulch" or maybe the intro to "Brilliant Mistake", though I don't know if you'd consider either of those to be "licks".
01/02/08 @ 12:39
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Sure, I'll count them as "licks." Thanks.
01/02/08 @ 12:42
Comment from: Oats [Member]
I think you may be attributing to Nick Lowe the quality of togetherness the band felt in those early days, a feeling which translated into their playing.

I don't know about that. I think virtually all the Elvis & the Attractions' albums have this barely suppressed tension that attests to a fair amount of discomfort, if not acrimony, between the band members.
01/02/08 @ 12:57
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Whether it's togetherness or tension or a combination thereof, my point is that Lowe's productions allow it to come to the fore. You hear the group dynamic. Without that you get too much Costello. I find "too much" of a key figure to be a problem with a lot of productions these days more than ever.
01/02/08 @ 14:01
Whether it's togetherness or tension or a combination thereof, my point is that Lowe's productions allow it to come to the fore. You hear the group dynamic. Without that you get too much Costello. I find "too much" of a key figure to be a problem with a lot of productions these days more than ever.

Interesting points all around. All I'll say is that I agree completely that EC should just get Nick Lowe to produce his next rock-oriented album. I loved When I Was Cruel and didn't mind its bass-heavy production (very appropriate for some of the songs), but I would've liked Brutal Youth and the more recent The Delivery Man more if they'd been produced by Nick Lowe instead of Mitchell Froom and umm, whoever produced The Delivery Man, respectively. I have more of a problem with Brutal Youth's production, esp. since Nick played bass on half of it!

Oh I looked it up and Dennnis Herring produced The Delivery Man. Looking at his extensive bio, he's produced tons of artists. I remembered that he produced that breakthrough Modest Mouse record, but also several Camper Van Beethoven albums to tie two threads together.

http://wm11.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:fnfoxqt5ldje~T4
01/02/08 @ 15:17
Comment from: andyr [Member] Email
I like some of the licks in "American With Tears".

It's not complete democracy as the instrument that's not high in the mix usually is the guitar. Lowe is just producing to the strengths of the entire group. This is especially true on a record like "Trust".
01/02/08 @ 16:17
Comment from: andyr [Member] Email
'scuse me - before i get pince nezed by Berlyant - that's "American Without Tears"
01/02/08 @ 16:19
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
andyr wrote:
It's not complete democracy as the instrument that's not high in the mix usually is the guitar.

Are you looking for a democracy or some form of socialism? I don't mean the production makes instruments completely equal in the mix but that the instruments are set free, in their own place. They're not all bundled up in one neat package, like you get from an early Bee Gees recording, for example.

I sense I'm trying to get at larger points that few if any Townspeople will get. So it goes!
01/02/08 @ 17:19
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I sense I'm trying to get at larger points that few if any Townspeople will get. So it goes!
So 2008 is going to be pretty much like 2007?
01/02/08 @ 17:38
Comment from: Oats [Member]
So 2008 is going to be pretty much like 2007?


Standing Ovation
01/02/08 @ 17:42
Comment from: Al [Member] Email
Mr. Mod, please tell me that when you said "So it goes!", you were cleverly quoting a Nick Lowe song.
01/02/08 @ 19:02
Comment from: geo [Member] Email
I see what you're getting at, but I think you're wrong. For example Spike, one of the non-Lowe albums that I like best has lots of neat little instrumental highlights for example Toussaint's piano on Deep Dark Truthful Mirror and Ribot's guitar on Let 'em Dangle. I think the more common problem is that in his attempt to expand his instrumental palette, he's often gone overboard and lost overall focus by cramming in too many little vignettes. I actually think my least favorite Lowe production, Armed Forces, suffered from a similar affliction. What you've said is somewhat more true of the Langer/Winstanley productions, but that was the part and parcel of getting that 80s hit production and, frankly, it might've worked if he wrote something as good as Madness' Our House on those albums. But the material on those was pretty lackluster.
01/02/08 @ 20:46
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
BigSteve, count me in on that Standing O!

Al, I'm not sure how clever my quote was, but yes.

Geo, thanks for at least getting what I'm getting at - and maybe more importantly, thanks for offering another point of view. What you say about Spike makes sense. I was thinking of "Veronica" more than some of the more unlistenable tracks. Actually, "Deep Dark Truthful Mirror" is a pretty good take on The Band before he throws in that line about eating the monkey's brain.
01/02/08 @ 21:28
What you've said is somewhat more true of the Langer/Winstanley productions, but that was the part and parcel of getting that 80s hit production and, frankly, it might've worked if he wrote something as good as Madness' Our House on those albums. But the material on those was pretty lackluster.

I disagree with this, at least somewhat. On Punch the Clock, you're somewhat correct as most of the material on there is quite weak (esp. compared to his earlier albums) and two of the strongest cuts, "Shipbuilding" and "Pills and Soap", sound like they don't really belong and of course the former was previously recorded by Robert Wyatt.

With that said, the slick, Madness and Dexy's style production gives it a coherence that it might not otherwise have and covers up the weaker material. Still, I'd much rather listen to "TKO (Boxing Day)", even with its awful lyrics, or any other song on that album as opposed to hearing "Our House" ever again. Oh and incidentally it did have "Everyday I Write the Book", one of only 2 US Top 40 hits he ever had.

As for Goodbye Cruel World, though, this was clearly more of a problem with the material being mauled by the inappropriate production. The two cuts where Langer and Winstanley really produce it fully, "The Only Flame in Town," and "I Wanna Be Loved", at least IMO are weak retreads of stuff from the previous album (though I really like the stripped-down versions of the former and I sorta have a soft spot for the latter). As for the rest of it, "Home Truth," "Worthless Thing" and "Love Field" (which actually benefits somewhat from the production) are all great, as are "The Comedians" and "The Deportees Club" on the other side, but man oh man the production on songs like "Room with No Number" is almost painful to listen to. If it would've been produced like the dark, folk-influenced record he wanted to make, I say that it could've been a really good album. However, as it stands, on the Rykodisc version the "Extended Play" section is better than the album.

As for Spike, I say that songs like "Coal Train Robberies" would've been much better if it was The Attractions (or a similar small combo) instead of 12 musicians playing on the fucking thing. Still, I like the more experimental pieces on there quite a bit, though I don't really like the too-slick by a hair production.
01/03/08 @ 16:06

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