Comment from: mockcarr [Member] Email
The La's just had that one album that is really good. That's very little staying power, right?

The Monks said their thing with one bizzaro album.

2008-02-06 @ 16:38
Comment from: shawnkilroy [Member] Email
I disagree about Liz Phair. I think the second album is just as good.
The rest I agree is worthless.
I know I'm gonna get a bit of argument on this one, but THE STONE ROSES is one such band/album.
LADYTRON-the one with 17
BRAN VAN 3000-the one with drinking in LA
THE VIOLENT FEMMES-SELF TITLED
THE STROKES-IS THIS IT? (in your case, yes it is)
CYPRESS HILL-SELF TITLED
GUNS AND ROSES-APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
THE RAPTURE-ECHOES
DAG NASTY-CAN I SAY?
WU TANG-36 CHAMBERS
2008-02-06 @ 16:54
Sex Pistols.

Emitt Rhodes by Emitt Rhodes?

The Flatlanders (It's country. Sorry, couldn't help it.)

The United States of America (the band not the country).
2008-02-06 @ 17:14
Comment from: Al [Member] Email
Marshall Crenshaw
2008-02-06 @ 17:17
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
Man, that first Dream Syndicate album is perfect. I actually like Elastica's second one though.

Moby Grape also made a perfect first album. They made some other good music, but certainly not a whole album that good.
2008-02-06 @ 17:32
Comment from: sammymaudlin [Member]
kilroy beat me to the Violent Femmes but I'll offer 2 controvertial thoughts:

1. Fountains of Wayne

2. The Dream Syndicate's "Ghost Stories" is a really good album. Yes Wynn was gunning for radio (I'd guess) but that's why it is good. Comparing it to Wine & Roses would be apples/oranges except that it was released as a DS album when, I think, both Kendra and Karl were long gone.
2008-02-06 @ 18:59
Comment from: sammymaudlin [Member]
Is that first Crenshaw album really good? It's been on my, "If I see it for less that $6 list" forever.
2008-02-06 @ 19:01
Comment from: andyr [Member] Email
The Romantics!
2008-02-06 @ 19:56
Comment from: geo [Member] Email
Television - Marquee Moon

The Doors
2008-02-06 @ 20:29
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
The first Crenshaw album is very good. So are his second and third albums
2008-02-06 @ 20:41
Comment from: Al [Member] Email
To me, the first Crenshaw album is better than good, it's fantastic. It is THE power pop album, with all of the positives of that genre and none of the negatives.

Don't wait for the $6 limit!
2008-02-06 @ 21:17
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I'm with you on Marquee Moon, Geo, but you know I think the Doors got better with age - and fat and beards.

The Modern Lovers is the first band that comes to mind for me on this subject. Generation X's first album may be the second one to come to mind. Good topic!
2008-02-06 @ 21:39
Comment from: petesecrutz [Member] Email
The Modern Lovers - Self Titled

Montrose - Self Titled

Rain Parade - Emergency Third Rail Power Trip

I also think "Ghost Stories" is a really good record and one greatly overlooked.
2008-02-06 @ 21:52
Comment from: sammymaudlin [Member]
Thanks for the Crenshaw feedback. I'm gonna nab it tomorrow. Thanks to petescrutz for the Ghost Stories back-up. Are you Wynn fan as well?

Modern Lovers is a perfect example but... did they release anything else? Does that count?
2008-02-06 @ 21:59
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Well, Jonathan Richman has released dozens of albums since that first Modern Lovers album - some with that monker, I believe. I'm not into the sound of a grown man sucking his thumb.

Sammy, I'm probably in the small minority of people with good taste who finds the first Marshall Crenshaw album boring. It wouldn't interest me for 60 cents.
2008-02-06 @ 22:11
Comment from: mrhonorama [Member] Email
A lot of good selections here, but mostly artists who only put out a smattering of albums.

Here's one for you -- The Pretenders. A stone cold classic. After that, Pretnders II was inconsistent, Learning To Crawl was good, and from there, it's been a fairly uneventful career.
2008-02-06 @ 22:59
Comment from: sammymaudlin [Member]
Mod: I've been dancing around that Crenshaw album for 20 some odd years. It's time. Don't think less of me.

mrhonorama: Welcome. The Pretenders first album could potentially be the best example in this discussion except for Talk of the Town and Message of Love being on II which are pretty strong tunes.
2008-02-06 @ 23:18
Comment from: petesecrutz [Member] Email
Sammy,
I like Wynn's work (well enough to check it out), but is fairly uneven.

As for the Crenshaw record, I actually think his second album, "Field Day" is far superior.
2008-02-06 @ 23:23
Comment from: Oats [Member]
Lots of great suggestions here -- Television, The Modern Lovers, Violent Femmes.

Sammy, I too am on Team Crenshaw. Get that debut ASAP!

The Pretenders is a tantalizing suggestion, but I think Chrissie did match the material on that first album, even if only with occasional songs ("Talk of the Town," "Chain Gang," "My City Was Gone,") never whole albums. The drop-offs I'm thinking here are much more severe.
2008-02-06 @ 23:27
Comment from: the great 48 [Member] Email
I'm with shawnkilroy: The first Stone Roses is the canonical one-and-done. None of the members' solo records are worth a tin shit, either.
2008-02-07 @ 01:40
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
mrhonorama, I'm with you on the Pretenders. It's too bad that original band broke up/died. I think they could have bounced back from the sophomore slump.
2008-02-07 @ 08:08
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
that second pretenders album could have easily subbed for the first, and the dip in quality from first album to second album is largely perceived, not actual.

why hasn't anyone mentioned "get the knack"?
2008-02-07 @ 08:38
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
oh...also: i don't see "the doors" as a one-and-done at all. there was a dip, to be sure. but i think "strange days" is really strong, and highly underrated in conventional thinking. but more than this, "morrison hotel" and "LA Woman" are even stronger...two of their strongest.
2008-02-07 @ 09:08
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Gang of Four's Entertainment is one of the most stunning debuts ever followed by a muddy second album and then little else of interest.
2008-02-07 @ 09:44
Comment from: 2000 Man [Member] Email
I don't think the Pretenders, while a bold choice, really fit. Even if you think their second album was weak, the ep that came out between the first and second is fantastic, with Talk of the Town, Message of Love, Cuban Slide and Porcelain being too good to ignore.

I think I played that live version of Precious five times a day back then. The super expanded versions of the first and second albums are terrific and chock full of extra goodies. After the oriinal band I pretty much lost interest, though.
2008-02-07 @ 09:52
Comment from: shawnkilroy [Member] Email
The Doors NO WAY!
Soft Parade is the only stinker in there.

SLOWDIVE-SOUVLAKI

one and done!
2008-02-07 @ 11:07
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
thanks for backing my points about the doors, kilroy.

I still think "Get the Knack" is the ultimate one-and-done: a brilliant album from wire to wire, followed up by a pale tan turd. yes, after "...Little Girls..." they put out some valiant attempts at re-capturing the magic, but of course, they failed miserably.
2008-02-07 @ 12:06
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
"england's newest hitmakers" was followed by nearly 50 years of crap.

i kid, i kid.
2008-02-07 @ 12:30
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Saturnismine wrote:
thanks for backing my points about the doors, kilroy.

So it was your points about The Doors? These were my points before you and kilroy checked in. I think I can safely demand an apology:)
2008-02-07 @ 13:36
Comment from: shawnkilroy [Member] Email
not frum me ya can't
2008-02-07 @ 13:49
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
*my* points: see above, in response to geo's timid submission of the Doors to this thread, beginning "oh...also...".

i see your "fat...beards" comment now. missed it before. and how could i? so eloquent! i regret not citing you, mod. forgive me!
2008-02-07 @ 14:34
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
You're forgiven...Kilroy too, just so it seems like I was pissed at him in the first place!
2008-02-07 @ 14:38
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
Pete sez: You're all forgiven.
2008-02-07 @ 19:17
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
I think Gang of Four's second record, Solid Gold, is quite strong in a lot of ways, if less catchy, and there are a few good tunes on the third record too. No way would I consider them one and done.
2008-02-07 @ 21:16
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I probably prefer Solid Gold to Entertainment! If you add To Hell With Poverty as a bonus track, it's no contest.
2008-02-07 @ 22:26
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Mmm. I used to like hearing the Solid Gold songs live, but I think too many of them just "sit there" on the album. I do like that yellow ep a lot.
2008-02-07 @ 22:49
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
Entertainment's a better record to my mind, Steve, but the murkiness of Solid still has real drive, albeit not of a poppy sort. Plus I think Gang of Four deserves props for not trying to do a second power pop album.

Heh heh.

As we all know, the yellow EP predates Entertainment!.
2008-02-08 @ 00:13
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
What was the first "power pop" album Gang of Four did, Entertainment? If being direct, biting, and uniquely recorded is at the heart of power pop, then I need to rethink this thing.

Because of my love for the yellow ep, I'll retract this Gang of Four entry. More power to you guys who can listen to Solid Gold and not wish for a better, richer recording - not necessarily more of the same or a cleaner sound, but something that pushed forward. To me, that album has the same problem as the second Pretenders album: a couple of great songs but a feeling of a band going through a grind sooner than expected.
2008-02-08 @ 00:26
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I think maybe the dark murkiness of Solid Gold is what I like. Murk can be a good thing. I think the lyrics may be richer. Bold move to open an album with a song like Paralyzed. Gotta give em extra points for that. And you know, when they tried to 'push forward' their sound, no one liked it.
2008-02-08 @ 11:22
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
For me the anti-catchy murk of Solid Gold comes closer to early Fall, an acquired taste obviously. I think the songs really do have a churning drive; they don't lay there so much as go inward, almost in layers. Like The Fall and some of Wire too, it's almost a precursor to the indie rock sound. No surprise then that Mr. Mod would dislike its insular charisma.

If being direct, biting, and uniquely recorded is at the heart of power pop, then I need to rethink this thing.


Of course, I was half-joking. But that said, listening from the vantage of many years later, Entertainment, and even more so the first Undertones record and the Buzzcocks Singles collection, strike me as more closely related to power pop than to later developments, although clearly there's a connection between Entertainment! and The Minutemen.
2008-02-08 @ 12:01
Great thread so far and I'm sorry for jumping in late on this one.

The prime contenders are Elastica's self-titled debut and The Dream Syndicate's The Days of Wine and Roses. Additionally, I like to think that some day, when the rubble of her subsequent mainstream bid clears, people will recognize Liz Phair's Exile in Guyville in a similarly fond light. Also, I predict here that Art Brut will never match Bang Bang Rock & Roll.


I agree re: Liz Phair and Art Brut. I've never heard any of The Dream Syndicate's albums past The Days of Wine and Roses, so no comment there. I think Elastica's 2nd album is almost as good as the 1st, though.


STONE ROSES is one such band/album.
LADYTRON-the one with 17
BRAN VAN 3000-the one with drinking in LA
THE VIOLENT FEMMES-SELF TITLED
THE STROKES-IS THIS IT? (in your case, yes it is)
CYPRESS HILL-SELF TITLED
GUNS AND ROSES-APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
THE RAPTURE-ECHOES
DAG NASTY-CAN I SAY?
WU TANG-36 CHAMBERS

Are we talking about strictly debuts or just one album at any point in an artist's career? If the former, Echoes doesn't qualify. I like The Rapture's previous records, though not their subsequent one. I seriously disagree with you re: Dag Nasty. I think of their 3 '80s albums, Can I Say is actually the weakest, though I love it. I think Wig Out at Denko's and Field Day are way better.

And why would anyone disagree with you re: The Stone Roses. Have you ever heard that 2nd album? Turd city. Right on w/ the G'n'R and Violent Femmes choices, though.

Has anyone mentioned the 1st Suicidal Tendencies album yet?

Gang of Four's Entertainment is one of the most stunning debuts ever followed by a muddy second album and then little else of interest.


I think maybe the dark murkiness of Solid Gold is what I like. Murk can be a good thing. I think the lyrics may be richer. Bold move to open an album with a song like Paralyzed. Gotta give em extra points for that. And you know, when they tried to 'push forward' their sound, no one liked it.


At times, I've actually thought that Solid Gold is a better record. At the very least, it's often overlooked and a great record IMO. Mwall esp. hits the nail on the head here as everyone on here knows how big of a Fall fan I am.
2008-02-11 @ 14:11

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