Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I was amazed listening to Ya Ya's recently, after not having done so for a long time, how crappy it sounds. And I just read that Jagger re-recorded half of the vocals on the album in the studio afterwards.

I saw the Faces a couple of times back in the day, not in '70, maybe '72 or so, and they were sloppy but really a lot of fun live. A party band in the best sense, with a real sense of camaraderie and real connection with the audience. They were not deep and made no pretense of being so. And you didn't get mandolins and dobros live, just Stonesy capital R Rock.

On the other hand when I saw the Stones in '75, they weren't exactly deep either. It was in Baton Rouge, the first date of their first tour with Woody, and it sounded like they hadn't rehearsed at all. The Meters blew them off the stage, or maybe it just seemed like they did, because I was peaking on mushrooms at exactly the right time to feel that way.
06/22/08 @ 15:14
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
In the studio Jagger's one of my favorite vocalists, but I have rarely heard even a decent performance from him live, or even overdubbed "live" vocals, for that matter. His studio tone can't cut it live; the Stones might as well have David Johanssen sing live.
06/22/08 @ 17:07
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
Another fine post, Mod. This time though I'm not as convinced of your conclusion. I kept waiting for the explanation of why Stewart had achieved a knockout here, but I don't see it. That in itself is something in your favor: the fact that the Stones don't clearly win is big news. But you're trying to give it to the challenger on points; your conclusion tries to nuance things. But how many champs really go down on points? Everybody knows that the challenger has to win convincingly, and I don't see the convincing reasons here. I don't see the in-your-face no-doubt-about-it Magic Johnson style heroics.

Ya-Ya's, an album by a great band who's making a great live party band record. Funny that it's the Stones who are the party band in this year. Stewart, stretching out into some more original and fully achieved songs relative to his own history, while at the same time there's nothing here that's gonna make anybody forget "Jumping Jack Flash." Show me the knockout, man. I wanna see the knockout.
06/22/08 @ 18:21
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Mwall, please don't pull that Party Band blanket up under your chin. You're too smart for that. Ya-Yas was a contractual obligation album. It's their last album under their deal with Allen Klein. Stewart wins on points. Winning is winning. This may not be a 12-round heavyweight fight but one of those 3-round amateur fights. The Stones LOSE Round 2!
06/22/08 @ 21:43
Comment from: shawnkilroy [Member] Email
johanssen!!!

hahaha! yeah!

that was awesome!

and true!
06/23/08 @ 02:13
Comment from: alexmagic [Member] Email
I won't look at a discography to refresh my memory and potentially set up a bias for myself, but if the Stones only put out a live album every year from 1971-1976, Rod might have a shot at winning this.
06/23/08 @ 08:58
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Alexmagic, I'd advise you to buckle your seatbelt.
06/23/08 @ 09:28
Comment from: alexmagic [Member] Email
I'm strapped in and have my helmet on.
06/23/08 @ 10:20
Comment from: 2000 man [Member] Email · http://www.whammoblammo.blogspot.com/
I don't concede that Rod has won this round. Ya Ya's has held up pretty well, and while the whole thing is utterly overdubbed and edited to the point where it's hardly a live album, it's a great record. It's historical position in rock and roll overall is miles above Gasoline Alley, which is a good album. But it's certainly not great. His interpretation of It's All Over Now sounds much more like the icky way The Stones played it in 98 or so. It's too awkward and clumsy. I'll pass on Country Comforts, too.

Ya Ya's isn't a good document of the 69 tour, but it is a great record, and I can't think of any weak points, besides an unforgivable edit in Sympathy for the Devil. Historically, it's the album the label never wanted to release, but because of Trade Mark of Quality's Live'r Than You'll Ever Be bootleg, Ya Ya's came into being, and the bootleggers became the target of the RIAA and BPI.

I say Rod's not even up on his hands and knees yet. Let It Bleed almost killed him, and Ya Ya's may not have landed the knockout punch, but it doesn't lose anything to Gasoline Alley. Rod's wearing boots of lead, and The Stones aren't even sweating yet.
06/23/08 @ 10:49
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
2K, you're rejecting Rod's work on the first Faces album, which has been transferred to its rightful place in 1970? That album alone is more worth a listeners' time than Ya-Yas. Let's keep it real. Rod's starting to come into his own. He landed a few combos. Beside the "live" version of "Midnight Rambler", the Stones delivered nothing special. Go back and study the admiration and thanks Ronnie Lane has for Rod in the clip I posted. Listen to how bad that Rhinoceros song is and how decent Stewart and his Faces buddies made it. The Stones did not expect such a fundamentally sound opponent! It's not like they won't be able to answer the bell for Round 3, which admittedly Stewart was in jeopardy of after Round 1, but something tells me 1971 is going to see a more focused round by the Stones.
06/23/08 @ 11:03
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
I'm still splitting the difference between Mod's and 2000's position and coming up with: Judgment Call. Narrow strike zone or too many touch fouls. Mod's the ref here, so for the moment I'm going to let him call the game his way. But refs look pretty bad lately, that's a fact.

Leaving aside Hot Rocks, Ya-Ya's and Exile are the two best Stones records for party time. I'd put Some Girls there too except a couple of the songs are likely to make the ladies angry. Just for the record, when I say party I mean it can't just be a bunch of guys huffing beside the nitro tank.
06/23/08 @ 11:57
Comment from: 2000 man [Member] Email · http://www.whammoblammo.blogspot.com/
Even moving First Step to 1970, which means as of 1969 Let It Bleed disintegrated Rod and he never even saw 1970, I still don't think Rod has enough momentum to catch up to Let It Bleed and Get Your Ya Ya's out. So far, Let It Bleed is undisputedly the best of that bunch, and I'd say Gasoline Alley is the weak link of the four. I like First Step, but I've never liked it enough to go buy it. Hasn't First Step even gone out of print on occasion? I think two of those records are cornerstones of Classic Rock, and I don't think First Step is one of them.

I'll show more love the Faces way, but for now I see a reeling Rod, having given the champ a good couple of body blows, finding out that it didn't hurt the champ much, and it just seems to have pissed him off. The champ hasn't even used his strong hand yet!
06/23/08 @ 15:09
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
2K, I think you may be surprised by what's to come. I trust your boys, the Stones, will be better prepared.
06/23/08 @ 17:02

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