Comment from: Oats [Member]
* Scene in which the movie can be considered "good": Elton John singing "Pinball Wizard"


* Scene in which the movie can be considered "good-bad": "I'm Free"

* Scene in which the movie is undeniably "bad": Everything else
05/15/09 @ 14:06
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
You used to see Elton's scene as a music video. It's amusing enough, but basically I consider all Ken Russell films after Women in Love to be abominations, not even good-bad.
05/15/09 @ 14:27
Comment from: Oats [Member]
For what it's worth, the clips I've seen of Lisztomania make Tommy look like a Jim Jarmusch movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWOWLXHAUhc
05/15/09 @ 14:54
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I actually rented Lisztomania years ago but I couldn't make it through the whole thing without fast forwarding in hopes of finding especially bad scenes.

Anyone else willing to step forward and note worthwhile scenes in Tommy, scenes that actually approach GOOD? I don't want to list them all and steal you of your thunder.
05/15/09 @ 15:06
Comment from: hrrundivbakshi [Member] Email
GOOD: Elton as the Wizard
GOOD: Ann-Margret coated in baked beans

BAD: Everything else

On the topic of Ken Russell movies, I chanced my way into a theater screening of "Lair of the White Worm," and LOVED it.
05/15/09 @ 15:23
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Lair of the White Worm is a rare Russell movie beside Tommy I remember seeing and not hating. If can't remember if that was only because of the visuals and whatever good-looking woman was on screen.
05/15/09 @ 15:36
Comment from: latelydavidband [Member] Email · http://msbluestrailblog.blogspot.com/
I remember being a kid and wandering on my parents watching this on cable TV in the early 80s. I saw the "Acid Queen" segment and was naturally horrified (as young kids are). I saw it years later and am mixed on the whole thing. Like the music, hate the movie? I honestly don't know how I feel about this one. I think I think it's bad, but I manage to watch (like a train wreck) every time. Plus I own the DVD. I think that has more to do with my gay PT love than anything else.

TB
05/15/09 @ 15:40
Comment from: latelydavidband [Member] Email · http://msbluestrailblog.blogspot.com/
PS--I did get off work one afternoon to find that daughter had pilfered my DVDs and watched this (she's 11) because she likes Tommy (the music). She didn't seem too traumatized and I was probably a little too proud of her.

TB
05/15/09 @ 15:42
Comment from: cdm [Member] Email
It's not even really good in a bad way, like say, Roadhouse, a movie which, by the way, took a role that could have gone to a sighted actor and gave it to the blind guy. I can never not watch that movie when it comes on.
05/15/09 @ 16:41
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
Lair of the White Worm. Now there's a movie I'd rather talk about. Campy and over the top and energetic. Based on a Bram Stoker novel too, although the book ain't quite the classic that Dracula is.
05/15/09 @ 16:53
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
That's all fine and dandy, mwall and cdm (by the way, my friend, as much as I love Roadhouse, Tommy has plenty of good-bad gems), but let's not pass up opportunities to give credit where credit is due. How about that scene where Tommy is cured and he is welcoming people to his own healing camp? There's a lot of green in this sequence - his parents may be wearing green uniforms, if memory serves. Daltry's is prancing about some big pinballs or boulders. Man, that's a loving, healing moment for a solid 60 seconds before the wheels start coming of the tracks again!
05/15/09 @ 17:09
Comment from: Oats [Member]
I now wish there was a Tommy movie starring Roadhouse-era Swayze in the title role.
05/15/09 @ 17:15
Comment from: cdm [Member] Email
A deaf, dumb and blind kid who overcomes his childhood traumas and goes on to kicks ass as a bouncer in hilllbilly bars? Featuring Oliver Reed singing Jeff Healy songs? Why, I'd pay top dollar to see that.
05/15/09 @ 17:27
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
OK, you guys have sold me on a possible remake of Tommy. Who plays the Sam Elliott character? Who gets the Ben Gazzarra role? Can we cast Willie Nelson as Red?
05/15/09 @ 21:07
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
CAST OF ROAD HOUSE TRADE CHALLENGE!
Can we trade the casts of Tommy and Road House - even up? After reassigning cast members to their new roles, which remake is better, or worse better, as may be the realistic expectation?

Daltry and Swayze obviously take over each other's roles. The outcome of their switch may be a push. After that, who gets what role and how do they perform in their new movies?

If you need a reminder of who's who and what they play, here's the key cast of Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073812/fullcredits#cast):

Cast (in credits order) verified as complete

Oliver Reed...Frank Hobbs
Ann-Margret ... Nora Walker
Roger Daltrey ... Tommy Walker
Elton John ... Local Lad
Eric Clapton ... The Preacher
John Entwistle ... Himself
Keith Moon ... Uncle Ernie
Paul Nicholas ... Cousin Kevin
Jack Nicholson ... The Specialist
Robert Powell ... Captain Walker
Pete Townshend ... Himself
Tina Turner ... The Acid Queen
Arthur Brown ... The Priest
Victoria Russell ... Sally Simpson
Ben Aris ... Reverend Simpson
Mary Holland ... Mrs. Simpson
Gary Rich ... Rock Musician
Dick Allan ... President Black Angels
Barry Winch ... Young Tommy

...and here's the key cast of Road House (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098206/fullcredits#cast):

Cast (in credits order) verified as complete

Patrick Swayze ... Dalton
Kelly Lynch ... Doc
Sam Elliott ... Wade Garrett
Ben Gazzara ... Brad Wesley
Marshall R. Teague ... Jimmy (as Marshall Teague)
Julie Michaels ... Denise
Red West ... Red Webster
Sunshine Parker ... Emmet (as 'Sunshine' Parker)
Jeff Healey ... Cody
Kevin Tighe ... Tilghman
John Doe ... Pat McGurn

Get to it, geniuses!
05/15/09 @ 21:20
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
i never thought the music on tommy was as bad as rth makes it out to be.

the recording is thin (and in many places, incomplete, or so they claim).

i'd love to hear that thing live, from the era in which it was recorded. the who were probably one of the most brutal bands of the festival / early arena era, ca. 69 - 72, and they were playing the living fuck out of all their songs at the time, while often giving tommy the full treatment.

yeah, the concept's a little out of left field, but i think it's pretty cool, the whole idea of writing a series of songs that take the listener from the idea of not being able to relate to the world around you to feeling like your soul has been liberated, with the transition from one phase to hte other being mediated by pop culture (marilyn monroe, pinball, etc.).

ultimately, i think it *does* fail, because townshend let the concept overwhelm the songwriting. but where there are songs, they're quite a pleasure to me.

okay...anyway...i always hated the movie because it's such a poor reflection of what those tunes mean when i just listen to hte original album, that i would much rather they never made a movie.

the playing and arrangements on the soundttack are terrible (although i do like the up front movie vocal mix), and yeah, ken russel's choices really blow.

the only scene that ever mattered to me was "i'm free," which is so bad...so terribly terribly bad, that it's good.


The only scene that
05/16/09 @ 00:39
Comment from: latelydavidband [Member] Email · http://msbluestrailblog.blogspot.com/
On a side note, but related, I did break down and buy that Smithereens Play Tommy. It's tribute! I suppose it's cool to hear a band playing a note-for-note copy but is this absolutely neccesary? I feel stupid for spending cash on this. Especially when there's 1000 other things I should be buying...

TB
05/16/09 @ 09:11
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
Don't feel bad, TB, I bought Phish Play Quadrophenia Live. It's impressive, but that's not the same thing as good, or worth good money.
05/16/09 @ 09:24
Comment from: latelydavidband [Member] Email · http://msbluestrailblog.blogspot.com/
I know what you mean, Steve. I know what's bugging me is the fact that I did NOT buy it on Monday because in the back of my mind I knew this was a waste of time. So. What do I do? I turn around a few days laters and cough up the bucks. Listen to half of it and say, "Man, this sounds like Tommy. Good for them."

Concerning Phish: At least it was alive setting. As I understand it, the band would allow their fans to vote and for the Halloween shows, Phish would be aonther band. The first year it was Quad, then The White Album. I think the last year the band just decided to do Talking Heads mainly because they were tired of the fans voting on lengthy double albums. The point I'm making is this: They were having fun doing a favorite record for fans. It was probably never intended to be a commercial release. This Smithereens thing is a studio album (!). I mean, it seems like if you are going to spend time and money in a studio, much the the effort to release it, you would record your own material.

This probably taps into my own belief about cover songs, but I'd rather just screw up my own stuff rather screwing up someone else's. I guess with The Smithereens, it's all about, "Look! We love The Who. We can recreate what The Who did in honor of the 40th anniversary!" A friend of mine did this very thing with a couple of his favorite albums. It's an odd way of honoring something. I mean, I adore Pet Sounds, but I'm not planning on recording my own version of it for commercial release. I'd rather just hear the record.

And I'm not talking about tribute albums. Those have an interesting place.

Sorry for the small rant there...

TB
05/16/09 @ 12:14
Comment from: Al [Member] Email
The interesting thing to me about these latest Smithereens releases is what it says about their sales power. They've now done two Beatles albums and this Tommy one. I can only assume that they do bigger numbers on these than on a disc of their own material. Doesn't make much sense to me.

But what do I know; the only Smithereens CD I have, I bought because they did a cover of Girl Don't Tell Me, my all time favorite Beach Boys song.
05/17/09 @ 18:57

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