Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Oats writes:
I’m not convinced that Winner Rock is in fact best represented by Survivor and Journey.

Did you mean to write "...is not, in fact, best represented..."? I know I should ask you this offlist, but the fate of Winner Rock has been challenged.
09/17/07 @ 08:27
Comment from: Oats [Member]
Yes, you're correct. It should be "is not..." Thanks.
09/17/07 @ 08:30
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Fixed. Thanks. This is an important distinction.
09/17/07 @ 08:53
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I'll have to say, Oats, you have presented some good examples of effective Loser Rock. Would you agree that The db's practiced Loser Rock? I think so. They seemed to have a downbeat, fatalistic approach to not only their music but their career.

Am I right in thinking that a degree of apathy or negative feelings toward careerism play a role in the Loser Rock profile? In a sense, I'm flipping your question concerning "commercial success" regarding the "winning" aspect of Winner Rock.
09/17/07 @ 12:13
Comment from: Oats [Member]
Would you agree that The db's practiced Loser Rock?

I gotta say, I'm not sure I hear it. There's a winsome, wry side to much of their music that doesn't really jibe with this Loser Rock aesthetic. I think. They have some downbeat, fatalistic songs, but they also have "Big Brown Eyes" and "Love is for Lovers."

Am I right in thinking that a degree of apathy or negative feelings toward careerism play a role in the Loser Rock profile?

Certainly Aimee Mann and Nirvana (and, yes, Elliott Smith) were very vocal in their ambivalence regarding commercial success. But I think a better sign of Loser Rock status comes, again, from The Replacements. Regarding their eventual failure in the rock marketplace, Westerberg once said, "At the end of the day, we just didn't want it that much." There's a clear-eyed, honest reckoning in that statement that's a real and valid Loser Rock Value.

Also, I am very, very happy the 'Mats do not have a "Runaway Train" in their catalog.
09/17/07 @ 13:32
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Oats wrote:
Regarding their eventual failure in the rock marketplace, Westerberg once said, "At the end of the day, we just didn't want it that much." There's a clear-eyed, honest reckoning in that statement that's a real and valid Loser Rock Value.

What a clear-eyed and honest answer, Oats. You have definded Loser Rock with the heart of a Winner! Beware of Mwall and his disgust over your efforts at doing a job that clearly needed doing.
09/17/07 @ 15:33
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
Here's an other advantage to Loser Rock -- you don't actually win any thing when you play Winner Rock.
09/17/07 @ 20:53

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