Comment from: cdm [Member] Email
Amen about Billy Ficca. My cousin recently told me that Marquee Moon is his favorite drumming on a rock album and I think I agree.
04/20/09 @ 16:16
Comment from: latelydavidband [Member] Email · http://msbluestrailblog.blogspot.com/
Great interview! I especially loved Lloyd's words on teaching guitar. Very very cool.

I have the deluxe reissue of Field of Fire. Good stuff.

Have fun at the show!

Thanks, KingEd!

TB
04/20/09 @ 16:27
Comment from: geo [Member] Email
Too bad KingEd couldn't get Lloyd to open up the way Mr. Mod did!
04/20/09 @ 16:32
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
No offense to KingEd, who did a fantastic job here, but I'm probably more sensitive and empathetic. Nice work, Ed! Hope to see you at the show tonight.
04/20/09 @ 16:46
Comment from: 2000 Man [Member] Email
That was swell! I saw Lloyd with Rocket From the Tombs three times. He came into the bar after the first show to get a cup of tea and we told him we loved the show and he said thanks, but he seemed pretty intent on having hot tea, so we left it at that. The first show, he primarily played rhythm, the second show he played some leads, but by the third show he seemed very comfortable and probably got close to have the spotlights that Cheetah Chrome did. Those were three really awesome shows!
04/21/09 @ 12:03
Comment from: geo [Member] Email
After seeing the show last night, I think Television function somewhat as a corollary to Mr. Mod's points about Talking Heads. As I understood those points, Mr Mod postulated that the artistic visionary in a group frequently has his authority questioned by other members who can't quite come to terms with the fact that his vision is what makes them successful.

I don't think there is any question that Verlaine had the primary vision in Television, at least once he jettisoned Hell. But Verlaine didn't seem to appreciate his serendipitous position to have two instrumental visionaries in the group, Lloyd and Ficca, that added entire dimensions to his ideas. I'm not saying that Lloyd's guitar or Ficca's drumming alone could have amounted to a group vision, but in the service of Verlaine's ideas, and with the able support of Fred Smith's solid playing, they created a sound that was fully formed and original. It looks as if Verlaine's inability to allow elements into the sound for which he was not in total control and to try and shape the band into something more specifically in line with his vision, and possibly even more controlled, "commercial" if you will, resulted in the saltpeter sound of Adventure and the unsatisfactory dissolution of the band both in the '78 and '07.

04/21/09 @ 13:34
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I had similar thoughts last night, Geo. Well said. I don't know if my Points on Talking Heads, or whatever I called that document, have ever been published here. I'll post them later today. Thanks.
04/21/09 @ 13:57
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
What Geo is talking about was too easy to find! Here's what I wrote, many moons ago, on the original RTH Yahoo list:

My Points About Talking Heads

It has come to my attention that my points about Talking Heads, to which I have made more than a few references, have never been stated directly. I hope to begin to rectify this oversight, but before I start, please keep in mind that I am not nor have ever been the world's biggest Talking Heads fan. I have, however, always liked them and bought most of their albums within weeks of their release. I did not like the album that followed Remain in Light, with the otherwise very good "Burning Down the House." I sold it within weeks of buying it. My enjoyment of the movie Stop Making Sense declined with the addition of each new showboatin' sideman. I never bought the soundtrack album or the recent "expanded" release. I pretty much hated Little Creatures and sold that too. Surprisingly, I really liked Naked and continue to listen to it along with the first 4 albums to this day. I never owned Jerry Harrison's The Red and the Black album, but I own the big Tom Tom Club album and David Byrne's Catherine Wheel and My Life in the Bush of Ghosts collaborations. Now that that's all out in the open...

I keep referring to Talking Heads because I think they represent so many of the rock music fanboy dynamics that keep traffic heavy on Rock Town Hall. Here was an initially incredibly hip and - even the most jaded of hipster would still acknowledge - innovative band that gained public acclaim and got the butts of "normal" folks shakin' alongside all the artists and hipsters who launched their career. At a certain point, critical acclaim for their career died down beyond token "artistic" appreciation in mainstream circles like the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame and MTV retrospectives. Meanwhile, the 1-trick pony tandem of the Ramones and Patti Smith, the once-barely credible Blondie, the heavily coasting Television, and other CBGBs contemporaries continued to grow in hipster import. Don't think I'm shedding a tear for Talking Heads, who probably made out fine with the support of Joe and Jane Average at the expense of Hank and Helen Hipster. No, my points about Talking Heads have to do with the self-hating underground mentality that punishes artists for leaving the hipster ghetto and that punishes entire bands for containing one member whose superior artistic vision outshines everyone else's, even to the eventual detriment of the band's initial genius.

I've laid out my "I'm OK; you're better" philosophy. Talking Heads, love 'em or not, were objectively "better" than a lot of their contemporaries. I know Chuck, for instance, has little to no taste for the band, but I would bet that he's honest enough to give them their due as being a solid and innovative band, a band with a strong vision of what they were doing. Within the band, David Byrne proved himself to be "better" than his bandmates: again, not only was he the songwriter, but he was the moving force behind the band's developing vision. I don't like where he took the band, and you probably don't either, but boy if he didn't take it somewhere. It hurt me when they wheeled out the OJ Simpson guitarist in Stop Making Sense, but damn if people didn't lap up that expanded-format material and possibly open their ears to other cool bands in the long run. In its prime, the band had that "50,000 Elvis fans" power, and that shouldn't be held against them, especially because they did it their way. It's not like they went from being critics' darling-era Robert Palmer and his Alan Toussaint-arranged albums to the little squirt Palmer in a tux backed by a dozen prancing modelbots and the Power Station. THAT'S a crime.

David Byrne in particular gets a lot of grief for grabbing power of that band and pissing off his bandmates to the point that he wanders the earth playing poor man's Talking Heads music on his own. It's sad, but give the man credit for trying to fly into the sun. He got a lot higher than most of us, and he brought a bunch of people with him. I remember in high school being struck by a line at the end of the otherwise excruciating Beowulf, in which the hero openly makes a bid for going down in history as heroic. He made no bones about wanting the glory. Talking Heads came onto the scene in their humble little rugby shirts and short hair, but don't think they weren't out for blood.

I hope that the next time I refer to any of these points, or even refer to a reference to these points, that you'll have a better idea of what I'm saying.
04/21/09 @ 14:05
Comment from: Oats [Member]
In retrospect, that essay is something of a dry run for the "Winner Rock" one. Truth be told, I prefer it.
04/21/09 @ 15:01
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I think Lloyd is a classic example of the player who ought to be a sideman. I agree with 2k -- at the RFTT show I saw he was on fire, and the album he did with them was excellent. His first solo album was quite good, but I think he was still coasting on fumes from his previous gig. It's been diminishing returns ever since.

He was good as a gun for hire with Matthew Sweet too. He's done other good session work. But whether it's ego or economics or some other factor, everyone seems to tend toward being a solo artist, even though the main thing a solo artist needs is vision, not instrumental skill.
04/21/09 @ 15:36

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