Comment from: snuh [Member] Email · http://snuh.livejournal.com
An amazing post - great job!
01/19/09 @ 05:15
Comment from: mikeydread [Member] Email · http://whatswerves.blogspot.com/
Hear, hear!
01/19/09 @ 05:44
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
Thanks for this, BigSteve. The "chicken fry" song is either accidentally / organically very much like the Dead when they show their indebtedness to Bo Diddley, or it just has a direct Dead influence.

A devil's advocate thought: near the beginning of your post you say that Pub Rock starts out mellow sounding, and doesn't become rowdy until later. You cite CSNY and other mellow, country-ish American acts as "influences." But later on, you also articulate the dilemma that recording presents to bands like these, who are primarily gigging acts: soften the rough edges or make messy sounding records.

Is it possible that the early mellowness is less a stylistic choice than a direction that studio engineers / record company execs pushed on these bands? Certainly, in the early 70s, the mellow country sound was THE sound.

Again, thanks for some great music heretofore unheard by these ears!
01/19/09 @ 09:45
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
I do think that the mellow countryish sound was in the air then. I remember reading an interview some years back with Nick Lowe where he said he lost a couple of years after hearing that first CS&N album, or something like that. I think he meant that it was a detour that took him away from finding his own sound.

I obviously wasn't there, but I think the Pub Rock scene changed as more pubs got involved and a circuit developed. The Tally Ho was originally a jazz club, a small place, and apparently the owners were tricked or talked into presenting Eggs Over Easy, so there was pressure to keep it kind of quiet.

And then as more bands started playing the circuit, I gather they leant more in the rock direction.
01/19/09 @ 12:11
Comment from: mwall [Member] Email
I've been enjoying these posts, Steve. I found that Jim Ford CD in a store in Asheville North Carolina a few weeks back. It's really very good, much more so than I expected, not that he's a great singer or anything. But the music's a very cool crossover between Gram Parsons, Nick Lowe, and yes, of all people, his pal Sly Stone.

I don't think we want to neglect the profound (and in some ways annoying) effect that The Band had on everyone in this era. I mean, a lot of groups wanted to sound like them.
01/19/09 @ 13:04
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Whether "mellow" Pub Rock or the rowdier kind - and beyond each band's production limitations - I think the key thing that BigSteve points out regarding the difficulty some of these bands had breaking through is a lack of personality. In the US, "Pub Rock" has a bit of allure to it, but we'd call them "bar bands." Is anyone in the US making the case that The Nighthawks shoulda been contenders? Even an established US bar band like J. Geils Band, complete with a charismatic lead singer, had to scratch and claw before breaking through. I like a lot of the Pub Rock I've heard and bought over the years because it taps into aspirations I can identify with. Not a lot of the bands, though, were able to establish their own voice. Sometimes I think, with any musicians in any genre, the lack of an established voice is the reality of the musician's "god-given" voice. It's like the sports saying, "You can't coach speed."

I'm looking forward to more Pub Rock pieces by BigSteve (and others). And despite my dismissal of an American bar band like The Nighthawks, I'd love to hear tales of North American bar bands who may have deserved more attention that they were able to generate in their time.
01/19/09 @ 13:40
Comment from: dr john [Member] Email
I don't think The Band should get all the credit/blame. In general, there was a mainstreaming of country music in the early 70s that was being heard on both sides of the Atlantic and being enabled by people like Gram Parsons hanging with bands like the Stones.
01/19/09 @ 16:04
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
It's hard to convey now how powerful an effect the Band had, especially on musicians. But for me the most powerful thing about them was that they were not country in the way Gram Parsons and the Byrds were. It was their ability to transform the whole range of black and white roots music into a vision of their own that was so special.

Until they met Dylan, the Hawks were a rough-edged R&B band, and even Gram Parsons played soul music classics (You Don't Miss Your Water and Do Right Woman). I think it was this this element of cross-fertilization that a lot of the country-rock bands of the time missed. They left out the rock.
01/19/09 @ 20:29
Comment from: 2000 Man [Member] Email
BigSteve, I love this feature. It's really great and I really look forward to it. When I was a kid, in 1976 I listened to Angel like all my friends did, and plenty of 70's hard rock bands that any 14 year old then would have liked. But I had one friend that would take some chances and I had Eddie and the Hot Rods Teenage Depression and he had Dr. Feelgood's Down By the Jetty. It was years later that I found out they were part of an actual scene, and by then those albums were all long out of print.

This really makes me think I'm going to be going on quite the scavenger hunt by the time this series finally wraps up. It's a great education and I think it's an overlooked era that I can really get behind.
01/19/09 @ 21:10
Comment from: 2000 Man [Member] Email
mwall, that wouldn't have been Whizz Records, would it? The guy that owns it goes by Nasty Habits on the intertubes and he's turned me on to some swell stuff! I'd love to get down there and check out the store some day.
01/20/09 @ 12:14

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