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hrrundivbakshihrrundivbakshi on Doorway to Heaven
Last night, I finally cued up "Stop Making Sense" on the idiot box. I own no Talking Heads albums — I just sort of gave them a pass in college, when everybody I knew dug them. I didn't hate them, I just didn't like them well enough to get my own copies of the albums that were fairly ubiquitous in dorm rooms I frequented. Anyhow -- yeah, last night I fired up "Stop Making Sense," and greatly enjoyed it, up until the ass-kicking live take on "Take Me to the River." The band was on fire, and I enjoyed the added bonus of Tina Weymouth's cute li'l dance moves in her cute li'l khaki jumpsuit. I never realized what a cute li'l thing she was/is. But then I got real tired of David Byrne, and remembered why I decided not to take the Talking Heads plunge. So I opened the door, then shut it about 30 minutes later, just last night. No Talking Heads fandom for me.
chickenfrank on Doorway to Heaven
C'mon! You can't invoke the Beverly Hillbillies without sharing that long ago RTH contributor Sethro is so named as a reference to his real blood relative Jethro from the BHs. The share the same last name and Hollywood good looks.
hrrundivbakshihrrundivbakshi on Listen to the Lion
Meanwhile, on the purple planet, the Prince estate readies the release of his mysteriously abandoned political protest album, “Welcome 2 America.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HJtxSdTL488
trigmogigmotrigmogigmo on Mystery Date!
Cool! Your hint about Lollapalooza got me thinking about that era of performers. Although I didn't think of NIN being part of it, suddenly the nasal tone on some of his mid-range vocal lines in that tune really jumped out at me as very recognizable, even though most of it is not.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Congratulations Trigmogigmo, but beware this mystery date - he wants to f*CK you like an animal! Yes, it's Trent Reznor in a band called "Option 30," from Meadville, PA. This recording was apparently made in 1983, later released by the studio engineer, capitalizing on Reznor's name. These guys must've ruled the Allegheny College music scene!
Mr. ModeratorMr. Moderator on Doorway to Heaven
Wow, I had no idea Beverly Hillbillies made it to the UK. I love that show! I consider Granny one of the funniest characters in TV history.
Mr. ModeratorMr. Moderator on Mystery Date!
Just sent you Trigmogigmo's guess via FB Messenger. It looks like a contender!
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Adam Duritz is a good guess, but no. Same on Mr. Nookie. Our date is very much a viable artist to this day.
cdmcdm on Mystery Date!
So not counting crows?
chickenfrank on Mystery Date!
Fred Durst?
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Our mystery date did not write this song, though he is known for writing his material now. But it's not the Bosstones, or any band that sounds like reggae or ska. This guitarist definitely has been studying Andy Summers' chord voicings and chorus effects! Mr. Mod, forward trigmogigmo's guess to me,. I'll will verify!
cdmcdm on Mystery Date!
Mrs CDM says Adam Duritz and I’m on board with this answer.
trigmogigmotrigmogigmo on Mystery Date!
I have a very definite guess re-listening to the vocal carefully... yeah, I hear this guy's voice clearly now. I'll email my mockcarr guess.
Happiness StanHappiness Stan on Doorway to Heaven
I'm not sure I'm familiar with anything by Duke Ellington, just know he's there somewhere behind the great wall between me and jazz. On the topic of old comedies, we just started watching the Beverly Hillbillies on Prime, for something sixty years old it stands up amazingly well, even Mrs H, who takes loud and grave exception to misogyny in old TV and movies, has been unable to find much to grumble about.
Happiness StanHappiness Stan on Doorway to Heaven
CDM, how splendid, since I do get Beefheart, I completely relate to what you say. Ah Feel Like Ahcid and Gimme Dat Harp Boy from Strictly Personal were my way in. Having heard his stuff on the John Peel show for years left me none the wiser. That album is very much the missing link between Safe as Milk and Planet Don. It's probably too late for me and Tom Waits now, there are just some places our individual minds don't seem programmed to go, but who knows? Thought of another one, Both Sides Now by Joni Mitchell, whose work I also like the idea of but which remains otherwise impenetrable. I know it's twee, but it does it for me nevertheless, and, like Downtown Train, gives me hope that one day, possibly, my brain might find a way through.
geo on Doorway to Heaven
BigSteve, I have that Blanton Webster band collection and, although I like it, I never felt the need to go much deeper. However, there is one other Ellington number I love, probably maligned by those in the know. It's called "Malletoba Spank" and it's on a 1959 album called "Jazz Party." It has has an exotica tinge, but without any of typical ironic distance. It's also very short and succinct.
cdmcdm on Mystery Date!
Not West Coast, big in the 90's, Lollapalooza. Is it a precursor to the Mighty Mighty Bosstones?
geo on Mystery Date!
A couple of comments. It sounded to me like someone in the early to mid-80's doing a very derivative take on copping the Police before he found his own style and leaned into it and became famous. It has the earmarks of a low budget studio recording, not atrocious sounding but just kind of flat. I would've guessed Eddie Vedder because I could imagine him having that kind of fluid identity at that time, but you said not West Coast and I think he is from San Diego.. In the immortal words of someone, "I'm thinking' here but nothin's happening."
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Ooh, I think there may be some early Lenny Kravitz recordings out there that are in more of an 80's pop style - but this isn't him. I can't speak for the keyboard hook being in a hip-hop song. I kind of doubt it, but don't know. Think Lolapalooza. And it's not what's his name Perry from Jane's Addiction.
chickenfrank on Mystery Date!
Lenny Kravitz?
cdmcdm on Mystery Date!
Do I know this piano hook from a hip-hop song? It sounds really, really familiar and I can’t tell if it’s just a common roof or if I heard it in a song that my son was playing.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Nope! If this singer is also playing an instrumental part in this song, it'd be the rinky-dink steel drum synth.
chickenfrank on Mystery Date!
My problem is I don't think I can name very many musicians that came into the limelight in the 90s. Is it Rivers Cuomo?
cdmcdm on Doorway to Heaven
Happiness, as much as I love Tom Waits' weirder stuff, Downtown Train, arguably his most "mainstream song" is still my favorite, so I applaud your choice of Desert Island Tom Waits Song. I apparently needed to hear other people sing the songs first to appreciate them. Then I got his first album which is fairly conventional. I followed that up with Bone Machine of all albums, which is the sonic equivalent of going from smoking some nice mellow weed directly to snorting truck stop speed. It's an acquired taste for sure but once you acquire it, obsession can set it pretty quickly. I think I feel the same way about Captain Beefheart that you do about TW. I really like Abba Zabba and to a lesser extent Electricity. But I cannot make my way into the rest of the catalog, despite the good counsel I've received from fellow Townsfolk.
cdmcdm on Mystery Date!
God damn, this driving me nuts. That voice sounds so familiar. And there are a few melodic turns that are making me think I've heard this before.
chickenfrank on Doorway to Heaven
HS, while I have positive memories of the Hair soundtrack and how groovy and transgressive it was, I wonder if my impressions would hold up under adult scrutiny. I'm reminded of some of the "groundbreaking" 1970s American situation comedy shows that seemed so revolutionary in finally portraying the African-American experience in a truthful representative manner only to see during the credits that they were written by old Jewish white men.
BigSteveBigSteve on Doorway to Heaven
I trust the people who say Duke Ellington is an American Treasure, but whenever I tried to listen to his music I could never find anything that I connected with. I'm not sure what I read that pointed me to it, but the the library had the 3-CD compilation called The Blanton-Webster Band covering 1940-42, and it's awesome. After getting into that album I went back to not being able to find other stuff I liked. Those long-form concerto-like pieces seem great in theory, but they leave me cold. As it turns out, the Blanton-Webster Band collection is all the Ellington I need.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
I believe '83 is the year of this recording, and it does sound like that. James Hetfield is a funny guess! Not correct, but some good thinking. I'll hint this is not west coast music.
Mr. ModeratorMr. Moderator on Mystery Date!
Mmm, not *from* the '90s, but that's the decade where he "came into the limelight." Metal may be the opposite of jam bands. Metallica goes back to the '80s but broke in the '90s. It's got to be James Hetfield!
trigmogigmotrigmogigmo on Mystery Date!
The style might yield a guess at the era of the recording. To me it sounds like this had to have been created by someone who had heard The Police and Men At Work. I'll guess this was recorded in the mid-80's.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Your mystery date is not from the 90's, though that is the era when he came into the limelight. I don't know if there is a rock genre that is the opposite of jam bands, but I'd there is one, our mystery date is of that opposite genre.
Mr. ModeratorMr. Moderator on Mystery Date!
How about Little Steven? He's got just enough of an unformed personality and abundance of confidence to try something like this.
Happiness StanHappiness Stan on Mystery Date!
Not a clue, I'd have guessed a Brit putting on an accent, so not even warm there. The production sounds like recorded in a hurry mid nineties, would that be even close?
Happiness StanHappiness Stan on Doorway to Heaven
Whoops, didn't mean to hit submit... way back I could barely see the people in front of me through the dense fog. Don't remember anything about the music, other than it being rather gloomy and portentous. If Tom Waits is a musical genre, then I have another example. I could happily listen to Downtown Train every day for the next few years, yet have never been able to penetrate any further into his output. I love the idea of him, just don't get it.
Happiness StanHappiness Stan on Doorway to Heaven
Excellent stuff, thank you gentlemen! I've never listened to Hair, always meant to get around to it, perhaps 2021 is the year. Our punk band used to play upstairs from a heavy metal disco quite regularly, that was a pretty alarming combination in those days. Goth isn't quite a closed book for me, our lead singer had the look long before Goth happened, and some of our stuff got a bit Bauhaus towards the end. I was going to say I saw the Sisters of Mercy at a festival in the eighties or early nineties, but heard would be more accurate, since, in a field large enough to hold about 40000 people, they used so much dry ice that from about a third of the way back I c could
BigSteveBigSteve on Mystery Date!
It sounds like the kind of fake reggae a jam band would try.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
You could focus on the singer.
chickenfrank on Mystery Date!
I thought you might have flim-flammed me by writing "not English", but he was British instead, but you cleared that up. You didn't show your hand in your response to Scott that we should or shouldn't be focusing on the singer or not.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
Not Bob Geldof! This recording is straight outta North America! It probably wouldn't help to mention that our mystery date changed his style, his famous recordings sound nothing like this.
Scott (the other one)Scott (the other one) on Mystery Date!
Is it Sir Bob Geldof? Recorded...after "I Don't Like Mondays" and maybe even after Band-Aid but before Live Aid, is my guess. I'd have guessed pre-"Mondays" except the recording quality feels too good to be an early demo or pre-major label record.
cherguevaracherguevara on Mystery Date!
I agree, the singer doesn't sound English, and isn't. But this isn't an actor's vanity project, this is a legit, famous for being a musician, musician.
chickenfrank on Mystery Date!
First, major props to MIA Sammy Maudlin for that hilarious intro video. I forgot how funny it was. Sounds like it's taking a page from The Police, but the singer doesn't sound all that English. I'm always suspicious on these that I'm being set up; that it's an actor's vanity project rather than someone primarily a musician. I can't offer a guess with any confidence.
Mr. ModeratorMr. Moderator on Mystery Date!
All right, the return of the Mystery Date! I love it. I'll see if that email address for me still works. Now, let me play along. Thank you for posting this!
cdmcdm on Listen to the Lion
Van has always seemed like a cranky old misanthrope even when he was a fairly young man. Yet somehow he managed to make buoyant pop songs. It sounds like the strain of keeping up that facade is finally getting to be too much.
cdmcdm on Doorway to Heaven
It took me a while to get settled in to country. I think my earlier years of listening to the Dead might have greased the skids, but it wasn't until my later 20's that I got into Bob Wills, Hank Williams and George Jones. (My late 20s was quite some time ago, but at the time it felt like I was very late to the party.) The Dead's versions still get grandfathered in, although they now sound totally amateurish to me, but I think by focusing on the songs first, instead of the nasally vocals and twangy/tinny instrumentation of the Hank Williams originals helped ease me into a genre of which I had been conditioned to be suspicious. I started listening to jazz around the same time. I had always been into Billy Holiday, even in high school, but never really liked proper jazz until around the same time I got into country. Some guy I worked with in San Francisco who was a bit older and seemed much more sophisticated than I, turned me onto the gateway drug that is Kind of Blue. In fact, I have a distinct memory of him extolling its virtues just after work when that big earthquake hit in '89. I'm sure there's a metaphor in there somewhere. I like some prog songs like Squonk, and Carpet Crawlers by Genesis, and A Hunting Girl by Jethro Tull, but I run out of enthusiasm quickly in that genre. In general, I like simple music. Prog feels like an angry complicated math problem and I do not have a math brain. Similarly, with metal I like a few stray songs like Paranoid but then I'm out. The whole thing seems like the musical equivalent of some overcompensating guy with a huge pickup truck that has a Punisher sticker on it and another one that says "Come and take it" and has a picture of an AR15. I get it, I get it, you're more macho than me Arguably in a genre by himself, I really did not like Tom Waits when my friend and one of my brothers played Pasties and a G String for me. It seemed like all shtick and no substance. I couldn't stand him. But the Beat Farmers' version of Rosie caught my ear years later and several years after that, I owned all of his albums except for 3, one of which was the album with Pasties, etc on it. A decade of two later, I found myself organizing Cabinet of Curiosities: a Tom Waits tribute, with about 30 different singers and musicians, including strings, horns, and a bellydancer on stage.
Mr. ModeratorMr. Moderator on Doorway to Heaven
Wow, that Rush song alone gave me much to chew on! How did I not know that song and video existed until this post? And how to I feel about not knowing until now? I need to think that through. The "You shall not pass" question reminds me of the night my friends and bandmates chickenfrank and Sethro decided to check out the after-hours dance party scene upstairs at Revival, a Philadelphia club from the '80s that was located in a large, marble building that used to be a church for sailors, or something like that. We played Revival's downstairs live room a lot and saw a lot of shows there. There was tile and marble everywhere. You could delicately strum a Dmaj7 chord and it would ring out thunderously. The club had an overall goth vibe to it, but in the downstairs live room, cool bands would come through. The booking guy was one of the nicest people in the business. Revival wasn't every underground rock musician's favorite club, but it had a soft spot for me. Upstairs at Revival was another world, one I had no interest in ever passing, until 1 fateful night when chickenfrank, sethro, and I were feeling bold (and probably had too much to drink). Upstairs at Revival didn't really get going until the live shows were in the homestretch. Around 1:00 am, you'd see Philadelphia's goth crowd slink past the bar and the stage and head right for the steps that led upstairs to the BOOM BOOM BOOM of an electronic kick drum that only mildly varied in tempo and could sometimes be heard thumping over the punk band onstage on the first floor. We couldn't stand "Kick Drum Music," as we referred to it. We imagined people doing lines of coke off the rim of urinals. No one ever seemed to laugh. The goth scene was a turnoff on musical, social, and sexual levels. Sorry if I'm offending anyone, but I never got turned on by a vampire. Anyhow, this particular night, we were feeling our oats. "Let's go upstairs and check out the Kick Drum Music!" one of us said. We marched up the steep flight of steps. The electronic kick drum got louder with each step. The guy working the door up there gave us a funny look. We took 3 steps into that room and suddenly felt like hayseeds. Just a flight of stairs down, we were pretty cool members of Philly's underground rock scene, having headlined shows at Revival and opened for touring bands. The doorman often let us in for free - that's how much status we had. The booking agent, Bob, once backed us up when we opened for The Lime Spiders and their road crew wanted us to cram into a tiny space in front of their equipment. Bob told them in no uncertain terms that they had to move their drums and let us use the riser for our set. We were at home on the first floor of Revival. On the second floor, however, in that goth scene, we were reduced to the nerdy 15-year-old boys who first decided they needed to start a band to overcome their cool deficiencies. We gawked at the scene around us for maybe 45 seconds, then turned and headed back downstairs, into the night for adventures more suited to our sensibilities.
BigSteveBigSteve on Listen to the Lion
I'm a huge Robyn Hitchcock fan, but when I tried a few of the first of his Facebook live things, I couldn't handle them, partly because I couldn't deal with Emma. The thing about Van is that he held it together much longer than most singer songwriters. Into the 90s his albums were always good and occasionally very good. The Healing Game is 1997 seemed to close the door on that era. He started doing collaborations and projects with diminishing returns. I'm not too shocked that he's subject to weird ideas. He's been through Scientology and a variety of esoteric stuff like theosophy. It would be hard to believe that he needs the money at this point. At least I hope not. I think we forget how people just get used to attention. Van always seemed aggravated at everyone, including his audience. It's kind of sad to discover he misses them.
chickenfrank on Doorway to Heaven
When I was growing up, there were very few records in my house. My parents enjoy music, but it would be incorrect to say I grew up in a musical household at all. Everyone was way more into books, TV, movies, and plays. I was the first one to seriously collect music. Among the records my parents did buy on their own were Sgt Pepper, whatever that Blood Sweat and Tears record is that has Spinning Wheel on it, and the Broadway soundtrack to Hair. I really liked that Hair album. It has funky songs, trippy songs, moon-rock, protest songs, dirty and inappropriate words, and clever lyrics. That's as far as I ever went with Broadway music. There's a world where I ought to be more receptive to that genre. The songwriting can frequently be so clever and smart with great melodies. I love the concept of having to write a song according to spec. "Hey, we need a song here that carries the plot from A to B", and someone writes a smart song that does just that. You don't have to wait for inspiration to hit, you're given the blueprint of what the song needs to do. It's not rock and roll, but a songwriting fan ought to be able to dig it. BUT, so much of it is all too overly dramatic (no surprise) and square. We had the soundtrack to Grease too, and that middle of the road pabulum was very off-putting. I was probably intimidated at my young age about how "fabulous" it all was too. So that's a strange doorway I might have entered, but I never made it past my Hair.
al on Listen to the Lion
Re-reading my comment I realize it may come off as very unsympathetic. I do recognize that artists are in a tough position with covid as so many sources of income are not available in the same way. That is why I have tried to play Medici. HS, as far as I know those Hitchcock shows are not available on-line anywhere. Here's a link for this week's Wednesday show, geared timing wise to US listeners - https://www.stageit.com/robyn_hitchcock_with_emma_swift/live_from_sweet_home_quarantine/98195 And here is Friday's show link, geared toward UK listeners - https://www.stageit.com/robyn_hitchcock_with_emma_swift/live_from_sweet_home_quarantine_uk_europe_friendly_hours/98196 This is how each week works.
Happiness StanHappiness Stan on Listen to the Lion
Ooh, I wish I'd known about those Robyn Hitchcock gigs, I'll have to look and see if they're still available anywhere. Other than the singles he made with Them, I've never been a Van man, nothing he's up to now surprises me, or changes the opinion I formed when I was about sixteen, i.e., the man's a bit of an arse. With the honourable exception of Elton John, who rises almost daily in my estimation for his integrity, several among the premier league of British rock icons have not come out of the last few years well in terms of showing themselves on the side of either the angels or history. There's quite a flurry going on over at a Facebook autograph forum about the Amazon exclusive signed edition of this new offering, on which the signatures are either stamped or printed. Opinions are divided as to which, but everyone is (dis)satisfied they aren't real. Given his reputation, the only surprising thing is that anyone's surprised.

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