Comment from: sethro b [Member] Email
I remember playing with Jim and the jr. mints at wxpn radio on-air live with no practice. I think I named one of our songs "Shesteak". We had schlepp our stuff up all these stairs in the old xpn building. I was very excited to get the chance to enter the scene of Philly music. The Jr mints gig on the Ben Franklin parkway for Super Sunday was also a highpoint. We played Bartok, and other stuff. Thanks for the memories.
12/05/08 @ 12:47
Great overview, Mr. Mod. Saves me the trouble of doing a Little Hits post. I think Unrath and Daniels were not an item by the time of the Baby Flamehead formation. Mr. Clean and Ms. Daniels were briefly a thing in, what, '86? I have a photo of them in my dorm room senior year.

I was never in Baby Flamehead, though Townhaller Saturnismine played bass in a most excellent Flamehead Lineup. I have a tape of some of those recordings which I should digitize and put up on RTH. Those tunes are pretty great. Flamehead and the Wishniaks both demised in 1991, I believe.

In like '93 Gimme formed, which was like an electric version of Flamehead. I played bass in that. Very little released material, unfortunately. 2-3 years later, Gimme demised, and the Shimmers formed, with me, Daniels, and 1/2 of Marah. That lasted another 2 years or so.

Funny enough, currently Mr. Clean and Unrath and I are playing instrumentals and might be looking for a bassist. You interested, Saturn?
12/05/08 @ 13:08
Comment from: mrclean [Member] Email
Thanks for your kind words Mr. Mod. I have very fond memories of that band and what we got up to...

Tvox's corrections are correct...

Also to note - BFH used another drummer for most of the longer tours while I was Milkmen-ing - a fine fellow named James Frost. Not sure of his scene origins or current where-a-bouts. I think he moved on to Chicago at one point.
12/05/08 @ 16:06
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Right, I forgot about the other drummer!
12/05/08 @ 16:12
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
t-vox, tell me when and where to be, and i'll bring the bass. i keep saying that i've gotta convert that gimme dat, which they recorded at my studio ca. '93. maybe the prospect of actually seeing unrath will force me to do it.

mod, this is great. flamehead are a philly band that is truly worthy of celebration.

i went from being a khyber soundman who was wary of seeing flamehead's name on the schedule to being a huge fan, to being IN the band, albeit at the end when, in my estimation, most of the magic was gone.

the wariness came from two daunting tasks: mixing an acoustic band on a lousy PA, and dealing with the very sharp ears of their fans, who were not afraid to come back to the board and critique my work.

joining was an honor, and it was great that we worked on originals material as well as playing the slocum era stuff. but i don't think we came close to the fun of these songs.

slocum's shoes were big ones to fill. it was made a little easier by the fact that i was actually replacing alan hewitt, instead; alan was the first post-slocum bassist, I was the second. he was a wonderful player, but since he wasn't slocum, the flamehead faithful were already used to his absence by the time i joined.

again, thanks for the memories, mod!


12/05/08 @ 17:24
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
these big mess recordings are sublime.
12/05/08 @ 17:46
Comment from: saturnismine [Member] Email
oh...and, for the record, current photon band bassist chris kubicek was the first bassist in gimme, after i played flamehead to its demise, and before t-vox joined gimme.
12/05/08 @ 17:47
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
This is a great history lesson about a scene I know almost nothing about, except for some of the later records by RTH regulars. I've got to say that Unrath is a totally cool rock surname.

I'm looking forward to downloading and listening to these tracks at home.
12/05/08 @ 17:54
Comment from: cherguevarra [Member] Email
I saw Alan Hewitt just the other night. Wasn't he the bass player in the band toward the end, before he joined the Low Road?

How funny, the mention of the Temple bookstore. What was with that place? I used to find some interesting things from time to time.

I remember all those bands. Good times.
12/05/08 @ 21:07
Comment from: dbuskirk [Member] Email
I sense a bit of restraint from someone who doesn't want to get all sobby praising an old pals band, let me say as an outsider I too loved seeing Baby Flamehead back in the late 80's. It's always fun when a band radiates such strong individual personalities,
Bert Schneider & Bob Rafelson (and Hanna-Barbera) spent fortunes trying to conjure such chemistry.

I continue to dig out that CD from time to time it continues to sound fresh (another of my favorite records of that era, Vic Chesnutt's WEST OF ROME was on Texas Hotel). Glad to find the bank of rarities MP3s, bummed that I still haven't heard Junior Mints (although I think I heard them on XPN eons ago).

Still looking to hit up Unrath for a copy of his No Milk tapes. Lee Paris used to kid that they had a record in stores everywhere and I was dumb enough to go looking.

-db
12/05/08 @ 21:35
Comment from: general slocum [Member] Email
BFH was by far the longest I ever played with 1 lineup. And after James Frost came in on drums, that was the second longest. Though the core of Big Mess was together in 1984 or so, and we're only moribund in fact, not in theory!

Thanks for an embarrassingly uncritical view of these things. The Junior Mints era (Mod/Sethro edition) was one I had great hopes for, and was one of my earlier lessons in the perplexing issue that people you like who can play what you like may just still not make a band, somehow. The only solution overall, is to not have that problem in the first place! BFH was a semi-organic outgrowth of sitting at Doobies at 22 & Lombard, and being broke enough that it became preferable to go to Chris' studio with six packs. A very natural way to start a band. Socially, we all kinds of issues with each other, which, for me, became insurmountable in the end. But the music was very natural and managed mostly to please everyone in the band, at least enough of the time. I've never been in a setting where there was such group creativity. Before or since.

Hey, the Action News link craps out after 30 seconds or something. Is that just a quirk?

Anyway. We had a great deal of fun. And I don't know if bands generally attract appropriate audiences, but I have found that BFH audiences were very fun and interesting folk. And the same goes for Big Mess, for the most part. Oh. I don't know if it's kosher to put in, but I have posted a lot of these things on last.fm The BFH Hi-Fi Companion, Big Mess, On the Kindness of Strangers...

I was playing Feliz Navidad on the double-bell euphonium 70 times in Bridgeton today and almost made it by your place on the way back, Mod. But time got away from me. It was cold out there!
12/08/08 @ 00:56
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
I thought the Action News theme ended earlier than I'd remembered. I'll try downloading it from last.fm again and see if it's that file or if something happened when I downloaded. If it's the one you posted there, let's talk and I'll get a full version up there. Thanks for all that you turned me onto in those young and innocent days.
12/08/08 @ 07:10
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
This may seem like a stupid question from an outsider, but why acoustic? At first I thought it was just that the radio sessions were acoustic, but all of these tracks are acoustic, no? Was BFH the acoustic side project while everybody had their own electric bands?
12/08/08 @ 10:03
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
The full Action News theme has been swapped in for the messed-up, abbreviated file that I first loaded. I highly recommend listening to it in its full glory. You'll be primed for news of local murders!
12/08/08 @ 10:27
Comment from: alexmagic [Member] Email
Thanks for posting the full version of the Action News Theme. I've been hoping to hear this since somebody mentioned it in a thread here last year.

Thanks for putting all this up, really. I'm still young enough (relatively speaking, anyway) to have missed all this, and am enjoying getting to hear it all now.
12/08/08 @ 20:07
Comment from: mrclean [Member] Email
Big Steve asks "why acoustic?"

Because nobody was doing that yet really. This was before the whole "unplugged" thing took off in the 90's...plus we had all done the electric thing before.

That, and Andy had that Burda that we just had to use on something!
12/08/08 @ 22:50
Comment from: general slocum [Member] Email
Mr. Clean, do you remember doing an electric set and an acoustic set? It didn't last long, and my feeling was a lot of quitting the electric was about carrying all that stuff. But definitely the Croatian bass worked so well with the acoustic guitar, too. It felt a little like ear floss at the time, to just pare back to acoustic. And much more pleasant rehearsals.
12/09/08 @ 00:53
Comment from: BigSteve [Member] Email
Burda? Croatian bass? Google is not helping here.
12/09/08 @ 09:40
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
Do I see General Slocum's burda resting in the background of this shot of Ornamental Wigwam (Joe and Dave of the Milkmen)?

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/2830/imagej/wigwam1.jpg

I believe this photo is from my favorite Philly club back then, Bacchanal!
12/09/08 @ 10:30
Comment from: general slocum [Member] Email
Yes, we were playing in Clark Park in W. Philly, and someone asked me if I knew what my instrument was. I said I didn't. Eden had seen it in a thrift store of clothing, a headscroll sticking out. So I went and bought it (what... $75 or so?) And this guy later sends me to the Valentich brothers in Pittsburgh. Frank Valentich on the phone says, "describe it." I do, and he says, "What you have there is a sick puppy, and it followed you home, didn't it?" I said yes, and asked if he could work on it. He said, "Are you a Croat?" I said I was Irish, and we play pop music. He was a little chilly, then, but I did go out and he looked at it and repaired a split in the top and put in a new bridge bit and what not. They hand wind the strings. When I broke one at a gig in Cleveland, the promoter who put us up, knew someone at Cleveland institute of music's piano dept., so we went and got some piano wire of the same gauge. well, of course piano wire isn't meant to be played with a pick, so it lasted about three songs, and we had to fedex strings from the Valentich brothers the next day. There's some pictures I have up on Facebook and Flickr... And yes, it is in that photo at Bacchanal.
12/09/08 @ 10:51
Comment from: tovjim [Member] Email
Was I hallucinating, or did Flamehead also do an awesome cover of the Jingle from 1970's commercial for IDEAL - a discount dress store in NJ - "If you've got the passion for fashion, and you've got the craving for savings, then take the wheel, of your automobile, and swing on down to Ideal!"
04/16/10 @ 18:18
Comment from: Mr. Moderator [Member]
As you confirmed tonight, tovjim, you were not hallucinating - or maybe you were but the reality of the show you saw included a cover of the IDEAL theme song! Great show tonight. It was nice seeing you and many more old friends.
04/17/10 @ 01:30
Comment from: geo [Member] Email
I had missed Baby Flamehead in a live setting the first time around, only knowing them from the tunes on the You're Soaking in It compilation. Glad I got an opportunity to catch them second time around. It was a great show with the band taking every opportunity to stretch way out and shine. If they're back again, I will be too.
04/19/10 @ 11:22

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